The National Archives
Forensic assessment · v1.1.0 · updated 1 November 2026
Translation pending: the assessment text below is in English, the authoritative record.
- Response status
- Redirected → Replied, nothing disclosed
- Last contact
- 31 October 2026
- Next date on file
- 12 November 2026 (Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.)
- Earlier version
- v1.0.0, published 18 October 2026 on the Legal Wiki
Since last assessment
18 October 2026 to 1 November 2026
Our reading: Since 18 October 2026, 10 emails are on file: 7 sent, 3 received (3 with content, 0 automatic acknowledgements). The latest reply moves the response status from “Redirected” to “Replied, nothing disclosed”. Most material: 23 October 2026, received, extension (ref CAS-356384-B2F5L9): Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9 (due 23 Oct 2026) is still ongoing; final decision expected within 40 working days, by 20 Nov 2026. Next date on file: 12 November 2026. Nothing here changes the earlier current finding unless stated above; this is a log of contact, not a finding about any person.
- Sentrequestref CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9
The requester consolidates queries on item locations, IR 58 entries, possession order records, Bonvilston distinction, and a BT 31 company file quotation.
- Sentclarification givenref CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479
The requester follows up on CAS-347296-M0V4Y1.
- Receivedacknowledgementref CAS-361652-D3X8X9
Acknowledges an FOI request for corporate records received 16 Oct 2026, reference CAS-361652-D3X8X9; reply due by 13 Nov 2026 (FOIA s.10).
- Sentrequest
FOI request for the location of closed or Discovery records on Great House Farm (OS Glamorgan XLVII.6, incl. IR 58 field books). Not delivered: the address foi@nationalarchives.gov.uk rejected it (550 access denied) on 22 Oct.
- Receivedextensionref CAS-356384-B2F5L9
Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9 (due 23 Oct 2026) is still ongoing; final decision expected within 40 working days, by 20 Nov 2026.
- Receivedother
Request-site notice: The National Archives has not replied and the request is long overdue.
- Sentclarification givenref CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479
Further search terms for CAS-344046-K1S1R2 and CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 and the internal review.
- Sentfollow-upref CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9
Follow-up on CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 asking where the three title records of 1926 and 1938 might be held and how to retrieve them.
- Sentrequest
New records enquiry, separate from CAS-356384: Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.
- Sentchaseref CAS-356384-B2F5L9
Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9: responds to the update that the review is ongoing with a final decision expected by 20 Nov 2026.
The assessment as last published
Carried over unchanged from v1.0.0 (18 October 2026). Links point inside this site.
Chronology and catalogue links — assessed 10-10-2026: Use the Institutional Involvement Roadmap (1877–2026) for the date-ordered institution/people/evidence sequence. The reported 1988 Cadw-to-Minister spot-listing letter has its own catalogue placeholder at GHF-E152; the original has not been attached to that page as at 10-10-2026. A placeholder records an evidence gap; it does not establish the letter’s contents or misconduct.
Forensic Assessment — The National Archives
Scope: TNA as archival discovery/custody authority for transferred government and corporate records.
Role
TNA is relevant where government or historical corporate records may have been transferred from departments or deposited collections. It is not a title adjudicator.
Forensic control test
Identify the exact collection/classmark, transfer status, closure/restriction and catalogue provenance. Where a public-record route is exhausted, ask whether an earlier transfer or departmental retention record exists rather than treating catalogue absence as destruction.
Current finding
As at 10-10-2026, the material reviewed does not establish wrongdoing by The National Archives. This is not a finding that the archive had no involvement; its particular custody and search functions are addressed here.
Human action
Run targeted searches for Wales Office/Welsh Office, land-registry/leasehold and relevant corporate records, recording classmarks and transfer/disposal information. Where an expected record remains with a department, identify the department and preservation route.
Acceptance: each TNA search produces classmarks/copies or a documented negative-search outcome with custody explanation.
Institutional appearance timeline — linked source index
Coverage rule: this is a chronological navigation map of published Wiki source pages found by searching the current site index for “The National Archives”. Every event label links directly to the page containing the source. It avoids duplicating source narratives. It records mention/appearance, not culpability. Dates are transcribed from page titles where available; “Date not explicit in title” means the linked source must be consulted. Search indexing is a discovery aid, not proof of exhaustive external coverage. 🕒10-10-2026
Records-access register appearances — direct row links
Rows below match the institution’s name or an alias in the reply register. A match establishes an appearance in the records trail, not necessarily a substantive act by the institution.
| Date | Correspondence / register item (click to open) | Reading rule |
|---|---|---|
| 26 Feb 2026 | R34 — The National Archives (Manorial Documents Register). “Manor of Llandough – MDR entries”. | Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference. |
| 23 Sep 2026 | R15 — The National Archives FOI Centre. CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 / CRM:007302479. | Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference. |
| 1 Oct 2026 | R05 — The National Archives FOI Centre. CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 . Also a WhatDoTheyKnow notice of 1 October that the response was late. | Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference. |
Related navigation: FOI & Public-Authority Reply Register · Records Access Chronology · Evidence Library
Page version & change log
Current version: 1.0.0
| Version | Date (UTC) | Editor (human or agent name) | Change | Source / evidence |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.0.0 | 2026-10-18T15:28Z | the editors | Footer standardised; no content change | Editing Protocol, 18 Oct 2026 |
Agents and editors: follow the Editing Protocol.
Case file
This file is built for a future reparations claim. Facts are as the records show them; interpretation is labelled “our reading”. Items marked “not checked” have not been compared with the original record.
(a) Conduct timeline
45 dated interactions, oldest first; 5 automatic acknowledgements are left out. Quotations are verbatim from the institution’s email; where the reply’s substance was an attachment, the email subject is quoted instead.
Show the timeline
| Date | Direction | Reference | Type | Verbatim |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 31 January 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: Concern regarding historical record following disputed land dispossession |
| 6 February 2026 | received | CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508 | redirected elsewhere | When you search our catalogue using keywords you are searching across these titles and descriptions, rather than the contents of the records themselves. |
| 6 February 2026 | sent | CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508 | clarification given | Subject: Re: Response to enquiry at The National Archives. Case number: CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508 |
| 6 February 2026 | received | CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601115 | not held | In answer to your main enquiry, in general we would not add notes to, or review, records in light of unresolved disputes or other matters. |
| 6 February 2026 | sent | CRM:022601115 | clarification given | Subject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601115 |
| 8 February 2026 | sent | CRM:022601127 | complaint | Subject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601127 |
| 8 February 2026 | sent | CRM:022601127 | clarification given | Subject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601127 | Correction | Forensic Evaluation and Assessment of Restitutionary asserts |
| 10 February 2026 | sent | — | preservation notice | Subject: Formal Notice for Record: Church View Close, Llandough / BP vs Buckler 1987 |
| 18 February 2026 | received | — | not held | The Manorial Documents Register which this department administers is a register for the location of manorial documents and not of the ownership and descent of manorial titles: |
| 18 February 2026 | sent | — | clarification given | Subject: Re: Formal Notice for Record: Church View Close, Llandough / BP vs Buckler 1987 |
| 24 February 2026 | received | — | substantive disclosure | As you know the Manorial Documents Register (MDR) only gives general descriptions of the content, extent and location of the manorial records recorded in the register: LLANDOUGH MANOR | The National Archives The manorial records for the Manor of Llandough are held at the National Library of… |
| 24 February 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries |
| 26 February 2026 | received | HMC 9/311 | partial | There is useful guidance on the different types of title deeds published by the University of Nottingham which might be helpful when searching catalogues and consulting original property records: |
| 26 February 2026 | sent | — | clarification given | Subject: Re: FW: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries |
| 3 March 2026 | received | — | substantive disclosure | A possibility worth bearing in mind is that the property, Great House Farm / Ty Mawr / Cedfin may ceased to have been held by copyhold tenure by 1900 and instead may have been held instead by a leasehold tenancy which if this was the case the manorial records will not be relevant to your research. |
| 6 March 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: FW: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries |
| 27 July 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: Great House Farm, Llandough, Cardiff |
| 30 July 2026 | received | CAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464 | redirected elsewhere | Please confirm whether such material is held and, if so, provide the relevant catalogue references and any available descriptions or copies (or advise on access arrangements). |
| 30 July 2026 | sent | CAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464 | request | Subject: Re: Response to enquiry at The National Archives. Case number CAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464 |
| 12 August 2026 | received | CAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306 | not held | If no such records are held, please confirm whether any disposal or transfer records indicate that relevant material was never deposited or was destroyed elsewhere. |
| 12 August 2026 | sent | CAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306 | complaint | Subject: Re: Response to National Archives enquiry. Case number CAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306 |
| 20 August 2026 | sent | CAS-344046-K1S1R2 | chase | Subject: Case reference: CAS-344046-K1S1R2 |
| 20 August 2026 | received | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302424 | fee or clarification demand | If such information is not held, whether this is because no such records are held, because no relevant records were ever transferred to TNA, or because TNA's catalogue/search systems contain no discoverable description of them. |
| 2 September 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | When you get there, please update the status to say if the response contains any useful information. |
| 6 September 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | Subject: Please update the status of your request - Great House Farm, Llandough, Cardiff (BP vs Buckler 1987) |
| 23 September 2026 | received | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 | partial | If such information is not held, whether this is because no such records are held, because no relevant records were ever transferred to TNA, or because TNA's catalogue/search systems contain no discoverable description of them. |
| 25 September 2026 | sent | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 | internal review request | Subject: Re: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 |
| 1 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | You can also refer your request to the Information Commissioner once the statutory deadline has passed. |
| 7 October 2026 | sent | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 | internal review request | Subject: Internal review — CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 / CRM:007302479 — Great House Farm / Tÿ Mawr, Llandough |
| 10 October 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: FOI — location only — Valuation Office Survey 1910, OS Glamorgan XLVII.6, Llandough / Great House Farm |
| 12 October 2026 | received | — | fee or clarification demand | If you are able to identify the relevant records from our catalogue to which your enquiry below relates, you are welcome to request information regarding their production history or any other recorded metadata held in relation to them. |
| 14 October 2026 | received | CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 CRM:022001165 | redirected elsewhere | When you search our catalogue using keywords you are searching across these titles and descriptions, rather than the contents of the records themselves. |
| 15 October 2026 | sent | CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9; CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 | preservation notice | Subject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 and CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — preservation flag: Valuation Office field books and National Farm Survey / CWAEC records for Great House Farm, Lla |
| 15 October 2026 | sent | CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 | complaint | Subject: Re: Response to National Archives enquiry. Case number CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 - incomplete location response under FOIA |
| 15 October 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: FOI — location and content only — Glamorgan hearth tax rolls E 179/221/297 and E 179/221/294 — Llandough-juxta-Penarth |
| 19 October 2026 | sent | CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 | request | Subject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 – Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough: item locations, retrieval and a copy quotation for BT 31/87651 (several items) |
| 21 October 2026 | sent | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 | clarification given | Subject: RE: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — clarification |
| 22 October 2026 | received | CAS-361652-D3X8X9 | acknowledgement | We will respond to you by 13/11/2026 18:00 in accordance with the 20 working-day time period laid down by section 10 of the Act. |
| 22 October 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: FOI request — location of closed or Discovery records relating to Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough (Valuation Office / IR58 / County Series) |
| 23 October 2026 | received | CAS-356384-B2F5L9 | extension | We wrote to you informing you that we would review and respond in writing to your request for an internal review by 23rd October 2026. |
| 29 October 2026 | received | — | other | Click on the link below to send a message to National Archives asking them to confirm that they have received your request and tell you when they are going to respond. |
| 29 October 2026 | sent | CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479 | clarification given | Subject: RE: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — clarification |
| 29 October 2026 | sent | CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 | follow-up | Subject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 – Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough: item locations, retrieval and a copy quotation for BT 31/87651 (several items) |
| 31 October 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: New records enquiry (separate from CAS-356384): Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092), LT 13/3048, BP Properties v Buckler bundles |
| 31 October 2026 | sent | CAS-356384-B2F5L9 | chase | Subject: Re: Internal Review Request: Reference CAS-356384-B2F5L9 CRM:013201602 |
(b) Inconsistencies and gaps
“Not held” answers set against the duty below
- 6 February 2026: “not held” answer (ref CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601115): Institution explains it does not annotate disputed records and confirms searched judicial series contain no relevant material.
- 18 February 2026: “not held” answer: Institution states it holds no relevant records, clarifies Manorial Documents Register scope, and redirects to HM Land Registry.
- 12 August 2026: “not held” answer (ref CAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306): States a catalogue search using specified terms produced no results and directs requester to guides and paid search options.
Contradictions between replies, or between institutions
- 23 September 2026: Discrepancy: a “not held” answer on 12 August 2026 and a disclosure or partial disclosure on 23 September 2026; how both stand together is not explained.
- 24 February 2026: Redirected on 24 February 2026 to National Library of Wales, Glamorgan Archives, West Glamorgan Archives; that body answered “not held” on 29 October 2026 (its page). Each points elsewhere; the record is not located.
- 26 February 2026: Redirected on 26 February 2026 to National Library of Wales; that body answered “not held” on 29 October 2026 (its page). Each points elsewhere; the record is not located.
- 3 March 2026: Redirected on 3 March 2026 to National Library of Wales, Glamorgan Archives; that body answered “not held” on 29 October 2026 (its page). Each points elsewhere; the record is not located.
- 30 July 2026: Redirected on 30 July 2026 to National Library of Wales; that body answered “not held” on 29 October 2026 (its page). Each points elsewhere; the record is not located.
(c) Quarantined-name links
Records on the quarantine register (Kissed Frogs) that sit in, or came from, this institution’s holdings. None is treated as settled.
- KF-23 · TNA LT 8/415 (catalogue entry) — quarantined: may be a mislabelled Great House Farm (Llandough/Leckwith) record until a physical check.
(d) Duty and liability — our reading
Liability indicators (our reading): strong
- Duty
- Custody and cataloguing of deposited records (Public Records Act 1958 for public records and places of deposit; the deposit terms for private collections); FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 for information about holdings; an accurate catalogue is the finding aid the public relies on.
- Indicators the duty was not met
- redirections that end in “not held”; replies that do not agree; “not held” answers.
- Evidence still needed to confirm
- the institution’s retention schedule and disposal record for the series in question; the catalogue or file list it searched; the original items on the quarantine register; any internal review or complaint outcome.
- Likely extent of exposure if confirmed
- Limited to the custodial record unless a mis-catalogued or withheld item is shown to have kept evidence from a decision-maker; then it may extend to the cost of putting the record right.
(e) Evidence still needed
- View the original items and the accession / deposit file at the search room. for paid visit list
- View the original of KF-23 (TNA LT 8/415 (catalogue entry)) and check the place, parties and plan against Great House Farm, Llandough/Leckwith. for paid visit list
- Check, in person, the series that would hold what the 6 February 2026 answer covers. for paid visit list
- Check, in person, the series that would hold what the 18 February 2026 answer covers. for paid visit list
- Check, in person, the series that would hold what the 12 August 2026 answer covers. for paid visit list
Versions
| 1.1.0 | 2026-11-01 | Moved to the Forensic Assessments webapp; dated “Since last assessment” section added; response status re-read. |
| 1.0.0 | 2026-10-18 | As published on the Legal Wiki. |