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Forensic Assessments

Mountjoy Ltd

Forensic assessment · v1.1.0 · updated 1 November 2026

Response status
Enquiries go to other bodies (company records)
Last contact
31 October 2026
Next date on file
12 November 2026 (Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.)
Earlier version
v1.0.0, published 21 October 2026 on the Legal Wiki

Since last assessment

14 October 2026 to 1 November 2026

Our reading: Since 14 October 2026, 14 emails are on file: 12 sent, 2 received (2 with content, 0 automatic acknowledgements). The response status is unchanged: “Enquiries go to other bodies (company records)”. Most material: 29 October 2026, received, not held: [Forest of Cardiff (registered charity)] Reply for the charity: none of the three requested records (1926 conveyance, 1926 Mountjoy Ltd formation records, 1938 conveyance) is held. Next date on file: 12 November 2026. Nothing here changes the earlier current finding unless stated above; this is a log of contact, not a finding about any person.

  1. Sentcorrespondence (no disclosure)ref COH2382411X

    [Companies House] Follow-up asks whether three records are held: a 1926 conveyance to Cardiff Corporation, the formation and company records of Mountjoy Ltd, and a conveyance on sale of 25 December 1938 to Western Ground Rents Ltd. Asks Companies House to confirm the correct company numbers (09760885 and 00342092 both quoted in earlier correspondence), name the custodian and series of each record, state the searches made, and preserve the records while the enquiry is open.

  2. Sentfollow-upref F260213

    [HM Land Registry] Follow-up on FOI F260213 asking for three records to test the historic title: the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, Mountjoy Ltd records and the 25 Dec 1938 conveyance.

  3. Sentfollow-upref GHF/HENEB/2026-09-20

    [Heneb (formerly GGAT) / Historic Environment Record] Follow-up asking whether the HER holds or can point to three title records: the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, Mountjoy Ltd records and the 25 Dec 1938 Western Ground Rents Ltd conveyance.

  4. Sentcorrespondence (no disclosure)ref 9816877

    [National Library of Wales] Follow-up to enquiry 9816877 asks whether the Library holds or has held the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, Mountjoy Ltd formation records and the 25 December 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents Ltd (originals, copies, plans or references), which catalogues were checked (including GB 0210 BUTE, D153 and D219), and asks for the records to be preserved.

  5. Sentrequest

    [Forest of Cardiff (registered charity)] Asks the charity to check its acquisition and title records (including the 1994 acquisition file) for the 1926 conveyance to Cardiff Corporation and plan, the 1926 Mountjoy Ltd formation records and the 25 Dec 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents Ltd and plan, and to name any present custodian.

  6. Sentpreservation notice

    [Capital Law] Preservation notice asking that any Mountjoy Ltd, Cardiff Corporation and Western Ground Rents Ltd files be kept and their custody confirmed, after the Glamorgan Archives catalogue listed Western Ground Rents papers as collection D696.

  7. Receivednot held

    [Forest of Cardiff (registered charity)] Reply for the charity: none of the three requested records (1926 conveyance, 1926 Mountjoy Ltd formation records, 1938 conveyance) is held.

  8. Receivedfee or clarification demandref COH2382411X

    [Companies House] Reply repeats the standard guidance: free online filing history for company 09760885 (Western Ground Rents Limited, the current company of that name), £3 per document from paper records, £9 per document for accounts or annual returns filed before 1973, £20 for an archive DVD of filings to 2002, card payment by telephone only. It does not answer the questions on the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, Mountjoy Ltd formation records, the 25 Dec 1938 conveyance or preservation.

  9. Sentclarification givenref FOIR26#25631/1

    [Government Legal Department (Bona Vacantia)] FOIR26#25631/1: asks for Mountjoy Limited and the title records to be added within the same search, and treated as a preservation notice.

  10. Sentrequest

    [The National Archives] New records enquiry, separate from CAS-356384: Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.

  11. Sentrequestref N610CGV

    [HM Land Registry] Ref N610CGV: asks for inspection, preservation and a search for the 1938 conveyance in the first-registration files for WA231076 and WA240304, which HMLR confirmed survive (30 Jul 2026 letter).

  12. Sentrequest

    [Glamorgan Archives] Asks for a search for Mountjoy Ltd, the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance and the 25 Dec 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents, building on refs 2026/3793, 2026/4097b and 2026/4461.

  13. Sentfollow-upref COH2382411X

    [Companies House] Follow-up to the 12 Oct 2026 reply (COH2382411X): two corrections and a new request for Mountjoy Limited and Western Ground Rents Limited (00342092) company records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.

  14. Sentpreservation notice

    [Mount Stuart (Bute archive)] Preservation and records request for Mountjoy Ltd, the 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance and the 25 Dec 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents; notes the 23 Aug 2026 enquiry bounced from the old archive address.

The assessment as last published

Carried over unchanged from v1.0.0 (21 October 2026). Links point inside this site.

Page ID: 3117 · Title: Mountjoy Ltd — Forensic Assessment · Evidence status: Not yet labelled — see the Editing Protocol · Version: 1.0.0 · Editing Protocol

Assessed 14 October 2026. Scope: appearance of the name only. The role of Mountjoy Ltd in the title chain is not established. Inclusion is not a finding of fault.

Documented appearances

DateAppearanceSource
7 September 2026Glamorgan Archives replies about its Bute, Mountjoy and D696 holdings.Reply register R24
August 2026The family’s correspondence has referred to a “Bute/Mountjoy Ltd” conveyance to Western Ground Rents in 1938. The wiki’s own 1938 page records a Bute to WGR conveyance.Family correspondence; GHF-E121

Current finding

As at 14 October 2026, nothing reviewed establishes wrongdoing by Mountjoy Ltd. The relationship between Mountjoy Ltd and the Bute Estate is a source conflict to resolve against the deed, not an inference to draw from the name.

Next step

Read GHF-E121 and the Glamorgan Archives Mountjoy catalogue entries to establish who conveyed in 1938 and in what capacity, and check Companies House. Acceptance: the contracting parties of the 1938 conveyance are stated from the deed, and the Source Conflicts Register is updated if needed.

Related

Bute Estate review · Glamorgan Archives review

Created 14 October 2026. Prepared with AI assistance from the wiki’s existing records and the family’s correspondence, on the family’s instruction. Corrections are welcome and will be dated here.

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Case file

This file is built for a future reparations claim. Facts are as the records show them; interpretation is labelled “our reading”. Items marked “not checked” have not been compared with the original record.

(a) Conduct timeline

14 dated interactions, oldest first; 0 automatic acknowledgements are left out. Quotations are verbatim from the institution’s email; where the reply’s substance was an attachment, the email subject is quoted instead.

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DateDirectionReferenceTypeVerbatim
29 October 2026sentCOH2382411Xcorrespondence (no disclosure)Subject: RE: Your Communication with Companies House, Ref: COH2382411X
29 October 2026sentF260213follow-upSubject: RE: Subject: Freedom of Information Request - Ty Mawr (Great House), Llandough, near Penarth (1938-1987) F260213
29 October 2026sentGHF/HENEB/2026-09-20follow-upSubject: Great House Farm, Llandough, Cardiff
29 October 2026sent9816877correspondence (no disclosure)Subject: Enquiry 9816877 – Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr (Cedfin), Llandough-juxta-Penarth: Bute Estate records and related items (several items)
29 October 2026sent—requestSubject: Re[4]: Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough — Registered Title WA735527
29 October 2026sent—preservation noticeSubject: Urgent: preservation and custody of Mountjoy, Cardiff Corporation and Western Ground Rents records
29 October 2026received—not heldSubject: Re[5]: Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough — Registered Title WA735527
30 October 2026receivedCOH2382411Xfee or clarification demandAlternatively, any document can be accessed from the Companies House records.
31 October 2026sentFOIR26#25631/1clarification givenSubject: RE: FOI request: Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) [FOIR26#25631/1]: addition of Mountjoy Limited and title documents
31 October 2026sent—requestSubject: New records enquiry (separate from CAS-356384): Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092), LT 13/3048, BP Properties v Buckler bundles
31 October 2026sentN610CGVrequestSubject: N610CGV, WA231076 / WA240304: URGENT inspection, preservation and search for the 1938 conveyance, Mountjoy Ltd documents and a 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyan
31 October 2026sent—requestSubject: URGENT: Mountjoy Ltd, 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, 25 Dec 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents: search, custody and preservation (follow-up to 2026/3
31 October 2026sentCOH2382411Xfollow-upSubject: URGENT: Mountjoy Limited and Western Ground Rents Limited (00342092): company records and preservation (follow-up to COH2382411X)
31 October 2026sent—preservation noticeSubject: URGENT preservation and records request: Mountjoy Ltd, 1926 Cardiff Corporation conveyance, 25 December 1938 conveyance to Western Ground Rents (Llandough)

(b) Inconsistencies and gaps

None found in the correspondence on file.

(c) Quarantined-name links

Records on the quarantine register (Kissed Frogs) that sit in, or came from, this institution’s holdings. None is treated as settled.

No quarantined-name record on the register is linked to this institution’s holdings.

(d) Duty and liability — our reading

Liability indicators (our reading): none

Duty
No general statutory duty to disclose; UK GDPR Art. 15 for personal data it holds; duties in contract, conveyancing practice or professional rules where it was a party, agent or adviser; once on notice of a possible claim, an expectation to preserve relevant documents.
Indicators the duty was not met
none found in the correspondence on file.
Evidence still needed to confirm
the institution’s retention schedule and disposal record for the series in question; the catalogue or file list it searched; any internal review or complaint outcome.
Likely extent of exposure if confirmed
Depends on its role in a transaction: where it was a party or adviser to a dealing in the land, exposure follows that role; otherwise none beyond data-protection duties.

(e) Evidence still needed

Versions

1.1.02026-11-01Moved to the Forensic Assessments webapp; dated “Since last assessment” section added; response status re-read.
1.0.02026-10-21As published on the Legal Wiki.

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