Llandough Community Council
Forensic assessment · v1.1.0 · updated 1 November 2026
Translation pending: the assessment text below is in English, the authoritative record.
- Response status
- Replied, nothing disclosed
- Last contact
- 29 October 2026
- Next date on file
- None on file
- Earlier version
- v1.0.1, published 18 October 2026 on the Legal Wiki
Since last assessment
18 October 2026 to 1 November 2026
Our reading: Since 18 October 2026, 10 emails are on file: 5 sent, 5 received (5 with content, 0 automatic acknowledgements). The response status is unchanged: “Replied, nothing disclosed”. Most material: 20 October 2026, received, correspondence (no disclosure): The clerk confirms the published agenda specifies a remote meeting and that the requester will have a reasonable opportunity to speak. Nothing here changes the earlier current finding unless stated above; this is a log of contact, not a finding about any person.
- Sentrequest
The requester submits a narrower freedom of information request seeking four specific categories of records on Great House Farm and adjoining land.
- Sentclarification given
The requester corrects a prior email, asking the council to disregard mistakenly quoted text while confirming the new request remains unaffected.
- Receivedcorrespondence (no disclosure)
The clerk confirms the published agenda specifies a remote meeting and that the requester will have a reasonable opportunity to speak.
- Sentchase
The requester accepts the Zoom arrangements for the meeting but restates four unanswered questions and adds one about notice revision.
- Sentchase
The requester lists twelve questions for the meeting, including the status of the pending internal review and the narrower information request.
- Receivedcorrespondence (no disclosure)
On the expired website security certificate: the council pays for it annually and will take it up with its website host.
- Receivedcorrespondence (no disclosure)
The clerk acknowledges the proposed additions to the 22 October 2026 draft minutes: their accuracy is for the council to consider at its next meeting and the clerk cannot make the changes; the clerk and Councillor Carroll are not listed as attendees because they are not members of the council.
- Receivedcorrespondence (no disclosure)
The clerk answers the twelve questions listed for the 22 October 2026 meeting: Tŷ Mawr records beyond the 2002 minute-book deposit are "uncertain" pending the internal review; the remote-only decision was the council's, for the reason the Chair gave at the meeting, and has been minuted; no physical venue was considered on this occasion; meeting arrangements are referred to the Welsh Government statutory guidance; the 13 October internal review and 20 October narrower request "will form part of the annual review which will be held in November 2026"; minutes will not record the statement and briefing pack; the clerk is the point of contact; wider matters may not be appropriate for an agenda unless they relate to day-to-day council business.
- Receivedcorrespondence (no disclosure)
A councillor replies to all on the thread, addressed to the clerk, describing the clerk's answers as clear, concise and "hopefully final".
- Sentother
Reply to the clerk's answers on the 22 Oct meeting correspondence.
The assessment as last published
Carried over unchanged from v1.0.1 (18 October 2026). Links point inside this site.
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Timeline scope — 12 October 2026: The graph aligns the Council’s documented appearances with the parcel history and HMLR title histories. It distinguishes parcel identity from registered-title administration. The 2 February 1987 amalgamation is a recorded register event; it does not itself settle the root-title dispute.
Forensic Assessment — Llandough Community Council
Scope: local community-council records and representations.
Role
The Community Council is relevant principally to local representations, heritage/community knowledge and later public discussion. It did not adjudicate the private title dispute.
Paul Egan — documented role and casework assessment
Current public status (checked 18 October 2026). The Council’s own Contact Us page continues to name Paul Egan as Clerk to the Council. The Council’s 11 October 2026 Section 12 refusal is signed “Paul R. Egan … Clerk to Llandough Community Council” (GHF-E183, 11 October entry). A public procurement notice posted in January 2026 also names Paul Egan as the Council contact. These are evidence that he was publicly listed and signing in the Clerk role at the respective dates; they do not independently establish uninterrupted tenure or a formal start/end date.
Historical public-role record. Paul Egan / Paul R. Egan is identified as representing Llandough Community Council in Welsh Government’s 2018 local-government reform consultation response documents. The Council’s own 2018 newsletter and Winter 2023 newsletter also identify him as Clerk. These are dated snapshots, not proof of uninterrupted service between them. A family understanding in June 2026 that he might be retiring was explicitly unconfirmed and arose from a public social-media post; the present Council contact listing and 11 October signature show that he was still publicly listed/signing as Clerk at those later dates. The source reviewed here does not include a Council notice establishing the effective date of any retirement, reappointment, locum arrangement, handover or records-custody change.
Assessment boundary. The following comparison scores the usefulness of the response and the assistance offered in this particular record set. They are reviewer-assigned scores shown in the public Clerk insights dashboard, not official Council ratings, objective measures of every aspect of an officer’s work, or findings of misconduct. Response speed is treated separately from response quality. A lawful refusal is not automatically a poor response; the evaluation looks at whether the reply explains the position, addresses separate request categories, describes searches, offers workable refinement and identifies useful next steps.
| Officer / body and response type | Usefulness (0–5) | Facilitation (0–5) | How the case is treated |
|---|---|---|---|
| Paul Egan / Llandough Community Council — Section 12 refusal, 11 October 2026 (exact evidence entry) | 1 | 1 | Refusal under FOIA Section 12; suggested narrowing minutes to 2002–2006 and offered internal review. It did not separately answer the photograph/image or 1982-transfer/deposit categories in the published response. The stated 20-minute reading plus 10-minute assessment for each of 224 sets gives 6,720 minutes / 112 hours if both activities apply to every set, whereas the letter states “over 2240 minutes” / 37 hours. This arithmetic inconsistency is identifiable from the transcription; it does not alone determine whether the refusal was lawful. |
| Paul Egan / Llandough Community Council — Section 21 response described as dated 14 June 2026 (exact source-status entry) | 2 | 2 | The later request describes a Section 21 reply pointing to Glamorgan Archives and the 2002 deposit of minute books. A useful destination and date were given, but the original message was not separately recovered for this review. |
| Paul Egan / Llandough Community Council — “unable to assist” contact, November 2025 (recorded on the dashboard) | 0 | 0 | The dashboard records the wording “I regret to inform you that we are unable to assist with the matter you raise.” The reviewed summary gives no exact sent date, so this is not assigned a reply-time measure and is not included in the 2026 FOI averages. |
| Glamorgan Archives | 5 | 5 | Selected comparison: repeated catalogue references, answers to numbered questions, corrections, quotations and practical next steps. |
| Museum Wales / Amgueddfa Cymru | 4 | 4 | Selected comparison: partial disclosures, schedules and scope clarifications, including willingness to re-examine the request. |
| National Archives / National Library of Wales (grouped) | 4 | 4 | Selected comparison: catalogue/location guidance, retention information and clear “not held” or alternative-location answers. |
| Vale of Glamorgan Council FOI unit | 3 | 3 | Selected comparison: formal case references and structured partial disclosures/reviews, with some outstanding material requiring follow-up. |
| MOD / South Wales Police / Welsh Government and Cadw (grouped) | 3 | 4 | Selected comparison: structured notices or partial releases and process handling; content differs because different exemptions and records regimes apply. |
Key comparison. On the two scored 2026 FOI responses, the Clerk / Council mean is 1.5/5 usefulness and 1.5/5 facilitation. The selected peer-group means in the dashboard are 3.8/5 usefulness and 4.0/5 facilitation. The dashboard describes most peer response bands as within a broad 10–20 working-day window; the sideways chart position of an unmeasured peer is illustrative, not an exact day-count. The 11 October letter is dated on a Sunday; the dashboard’s calculation records 14 working days elapsed by Friday 9 October from the request dated 21 September, with the response still inside the 20-working-day period when measured against the working-day calendar used in that analysis. The 14 June response is assessed at 18 working days when the late-May bank holiday is excluded (19 if counted); the original source is not separately recovered.
Scope of the comparison. These are the comparator bodies/groups presently named in the dashboard, not a census of every associated person, employee, organisation or party involved in the wider Great House Farm dispute. The peer groups are aggregated, not individual staff appraisals. Scores are issue-specific editorial judgements based on the correspondence as reviewed, not an official league table. Their purpose is to make the differences in the sampled correspondence legible, not to infer motive or general personal competence.
Thread and chronology links. The September and October correspondence, revised family messages and source-status notes are set out in the dedicated GHF-E183 email evidence page, with individual anchors for the 28 September Chair’s reply, 11 October refusal signed by Egan, 13 October 03:25 UTC revised family email and 13 October 20:09 UTC Clerk acknowledgement source-status entry. See also the correspondence chronology.
Forensic control test
Identify minutes, correspondence, petitions, planning representations and referrals concerning Great House Farm/Tŷ Mawr and later site development. Record what was actually known to the Council at each date.
Current finding
No adverse institutional finding is established.
Note on clerkship status statements (June–October 2026).
On 14 June 2026 the researcher emailed Paul Egan stating an understanding that he was leaving, based on a public Facebook post by Cllr George Carroll. That post described the fete as “the last village fete that Paul Egan is organising before he retires as the clerk” (i.e. future retirement, not a completed departure). No reply correcting or clarifying the status of the clerkship was received. For the subsequent correspondence trail, including the 11 October 2026 reply still signed as Clerk, see the Llandough Community Council — Correspondence Chronology and the linked GHF-E170 / GHF-E106-R55 records.
Human action
Request a targeted minute-book and correspondence search for the relevant 1980s and later planning/heritage periods, and cross-reference representations to the Council’s parent planning authority records.
Acceptance: complete search statement and copies/refs of relevant local records.
Llandough Community Council — events aligned with parcel and title history
The graph places the Council’s dated appearances against the same calendar axis as the Parcel A/Parcel B reconstruction and the WA231076, WA240304 and WA735527 title histories. The red track marks recorded Council-related events; its dotted connector is a chronological guide, not evidence of continuous activity. Each event links to its fuller source record.
Reading the join: WA231076 and WA240304 are separate registration tracks in 1982–83. The WA240304 farmhouse-and-garden line ends at the recorded 2 February 1987 amalgamation into WA231076. Parcel A and Parcel B are land-identity/research tracks, not judicial findings of ownership. WA735527 is shown separately because its source strands and parcel relationship require independent review.
Dated events and source links
Attribution boundary and current finding
GHF-E171 — Vale of Glamorgan ward representations and complaint route concerns ward-representation correspondence and the Vale of Glamorgan Council Monitoring Officer process. It is not an act by Llandough Community Council and is linked only to keep institutional attribution clear: GHF-E171 · Vale of Glamorgan Council forensic assessment.
Current finding: no adverse institutional finding is established. The 1990 report documents involvement in redevelopment/archaeology; the 2025–26 pages document later records-access and correspondence. The reviewed record does not establish that the Community Council adjudicated the private title dispute or had proven knowledge of the family’s root-title case. A targeted search of relevant minutes, correspondence, planning/heritage representations and referrals remains outstanding.
Related records: Llandough Community Council correspondence chronology · Records Access Chronology · FOI & Public-Authority Reply Register · Source Conflicts Register · Institutional Involvement Roadmap · Land Registry Titles.
Site-wide hypothesis: see the Cedwyn Estate Working Theory (HYPOTHESIS).
Response Friction Score — linked message assessments
The Council’s 20 September wording, the 28 September forwarding reply and the 11 October section 12 refusal are scored separately. The quote-only status of the 20 September wording and the section 12 estimate-method question are explicitly recorded; no finding of unlawful refusal or deliberate concealment is made from the score alone. Read the score, source limits and follow-up tests.
Page version & change log
Current version: 1.0.1
| Version | Date (UTC) | Editor (human or agent name) | Change | Source / evidence |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1.0.1 | 2026-10-18T15:29Z | the editors | Correction (18 Oct 2026): Item 9: pasted Cedwyn Estate cross-reference paragraph replaced by a one-line link; the paragraph was not about this page’s subject. | Corrections log — 18 Oct 2026 (page 3919) / Master Change Log (3923) |
| 1.0.0 | 2026-10-18T15:29Z | the editors | Footer standardised; earlier log rows carried into this table; no content change | Editing Protocol, 18 Oct 2026 |
| 2026-10-18 (rollout date; exact time not separately recorded) | OpenAI-assisted maintenance agent (GPT-6) | Installed this page-local append-only change log and agent instructions. Existing page content was not intentionally rewritten. | User-directed site-wide changelog standard. Saved via WordPress API; public rendering of this page not yet independently checked. |
Agents and editors: follow the Editing Protocol.
Case file
This file is built for a future reparations claim. Facts are as the records show them; interpretation is labelled “our reading”. Items marked “not checked” have not been compared with the original record.
(a) Conduct timeline
29 dated interactions, oldest first; 3 automatic acknowledgements are left out. Quotations are verbatim from the institution’s email; where the reply’s substance was an attachment, the email subject is quoted instead.
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| Date | Direction | Reference | Type | Verbatim |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 20 November 2025 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | I regret to inform you that we are unable to assist with the matter you raise. |
| 20 November 2025 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: BP vs Buckler |
| 18 May 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: Re: Great House Farm |
| 14 June 2026 | received | — | redirected elsewhere | Section 21 of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is an absolute exemption that allows public authorities to refuse a request if the requested information is already reasonably accessible to the applicant by other means. |
| 14 June 2026 | sent | — | chase | Subject: Re: Great House Farm |
| 14 June 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Follow up |
| 20 September 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr) — heritage research and a Welsh museum project in Patagonia |
| 20 September 2026 | received | — | not held | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr) — heritage research and a Welsh museum project in Patagonia |
| 21 September 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 |
| 28 September 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 |
| 28 September 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 |
| 11 October 2026 | received | — | refusal | We estimate this will exceed the limit provided for by the regulations and therefore your request is refused on the grounds provided for under section 12 of the act. |
| 13 October 2026 | sent | — | internal review request | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for internal review of the response of 11 October 2026 (section 12) |
| 13 October 2026 | sent | — | internal review request | Subject: Apologies Gentlemen - Disregard Last Email Por Favor |
| 14 October 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
| 16 October 2026 | sent | — | preservation notice | Subject: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
| 16 October 2026 | sent | — | clarification given | Subject: Supplement and plain-language clarification to my email of 13 October 2026 (03:25 UTC) |
| 16 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | Can you please note that the Council meeting on 22 October will now be held remotely only and you can use the Zoom link that has already been emailed to you. |
| 16 October 2026 | sent | — | complaint | Subject: Re: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
| 20 October 2026 | sent | — | request | Subject: Re: Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr), Llandough — request for information under FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 |
| 20 October 2026 | sent | — | clarification given | Subject: Correction to my email of 20 October 2026 – Great House Farm (Tŷ Mawr) information request |
| 20 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | I can confirm that you will be given a reasonable opportunity to ask questions and make comments on any item of business specified to be transacted that is on the published agenda. |
| 20 October 2026 | sent | — | chase | Subject: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
| 20 October 2026 | sent | — | chase | Subject: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
| 25 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | · Be open and accessible in all our decision making |
| 27 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | Subject: Re: Draft minutes of 22 October 2026 – my additions for the record |
| 27 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | Please see below my response to your questions as promised. |
| 27 October 2026 | received | — | correspondence (no disclosure) | Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: [name] <[email redacted]> Date: 27/10/2026 16:05 (GMT+00:00) To: Requester <[email redacted]> Subject: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM Dear Requester, Please see below my response to your questions as promised. |
| 29 October 2026 | sent | — | other | Subject: Re: MEETING OF THE COUNCIL - 22 OCTOBER AT 7.00PM |
(b) Inconsistencies and gaps
“Not held” answers set against the duty below
- 20 September 2026: “not held” answer: The council chair states the clerk already provided all available information and there is nothing more to add.
- 11 October 2026: “refusal” answer: The clerk refuses the request under section 12, citing an estimated 37 hours to review 14 years of minutes, and suggests narrowing the date range.
(c) Quarantined-name links
Records on the quarantine register (Kissed Frogs) that sit in, or came from, this institution’s holdings. None is treated as settled.
No quarantined-name record on the register is linked to this institution’s holdings.
(d) Duty and liability — our reading
Liability indicators (our reading): some
- Duty
- Local Government Act 1972 s.224 (proper arrangements for its documents); FOIA 2000 and EIR 2004; planning and land registers it must keep (Town and Country Planning Act 1990 and the planning register rules); the s.46 Code of Practice.
- Indicators the duty was not met
- “not held” answers.
- Evidence still needed to confirm
- the institution’s retention schedule and disposal record for the series in question; the catalogue or file list it searched; any internal review or complaint outcome.
- Likely extent of exposure if confirmed
- An ICO or Ombudsman finding on records and handling; if a decision on the land rested on an incomplete record, exposure may extend to the consequences of that decision.
(e) Evidence still needed
- Inspect the planning register, the land-terrier and estates files, and the minute books for the years in question. for paid visit list
- Check, in person, the series that would hold what the 20 September 2026 answer covers. for paid visit list
- Check, in person, the series that would hold what the 11 October 2026 answer covers. for paid visit list
Versions
| 1.1.0 | 2026-11-01 | Moved to the Forensic Assessments webapp; dated “Since last assessment” section added; response status re-read. |
| 1.0.1 | 2026-10-18 | As published on the Legal Wiki. |