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Forensic Assessments

The National Archives

Forensic assessment · v1.1.0 · updated 1 November 2026

Response status
Redirected → Replied, nothing disclosed
Last contact
31 October 2026
Next date on file
12 November 2026 (Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.)
Earlier version
v1.0.0, published 18 October 2026 on the Legal Wiki

Since last assessment

18 October 2026 to 1 November 2026

Our reading: Since 18 October 2026, 10 emails are on file: 7 sent, 3 received (3 with content, 0 automatic acknowledgements). The latest reply moves the response status from “Redirected” to “Replied, nothing disclosed”. Most material: 23 October 2026, received, extension (ref CAS-356384-B2F5L9): Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9 (due 23 Oct 2026) is still ongoing; final decision expected within 40 working days, by 20 Nov 2026. Next date on file: 12 November 2026. Nothing here changes the earlier current finding unless stated above; this is a log of contact, not a finding about any person.

  1. Sentrequestref CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9

    The requester consolidates queries on item locations, IR 58 entries, possession order records, Bonvilston distinction, and a BT 31 company file quotation.

  2. Sentclarification givenref CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479

    The requester follows up on CAS-347296-M0V4Y1.

  3. Receivedacknowledgementref CAS-361652-D3X8X9

    Acknowledges an FOI request for corporate records received 16 Oct 2026, reference CAS-361652-D3X8X9; reply due by 13 Nov 2026 (FOIA s.10).

  4. Sentrequest

    FOI request for the location of closed or Discovery records on Great House Farm (OS Glamorgan XLVII.6, incl. IR 58 field books). Not delivered: the address foi@nationalarchives.gov.uk rejected it (550 access denied) on 22 Oct.

  5. Receivedextensionref CAS-356384-B2F5L9

    Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9 (due 23 Oct 2026) is still ongoing; final decision expected within 40 working days, by 20 Nov 2026.

  6. Receivedother

    Request-site notice: The National Archives has not replied and the request is long overdue.

  7. Sentclarification givenref CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479

    Further search terms for CAS-344046-K1S1R2 and CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 and the internal review.

  8. Sentfollow-upref CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9

    Follow-up on CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 asking where the three title records of 1926 and 1938 might be held and how to retrieve them.

  9. Sentrequest

    New records enquiry, separate from CAS-356384: Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092) and related LT 13 records; reply asked by 12 Nov 2026.

  10. Sentchaseref CAS-356384-B2F5L9

    Internal review CAS-356384-B2F5L9: responds to the update that the review is ongoing with a final decision expected by 20 Nov 2026.

The assessment as last published

Carried over unchanged from v1.0.0 (18 October 2026). Links point inside this site.

Page ID: 1550 · Title: The National Archives — Forensic Assessment · Evidence status: Not yet labelled — see the Editing Protocol · Version: 1.0.0 · Editing Protocol

Chronology and catalogue links — assessed 10-10-2026: Use the Institutional Involvement Roadmap (1877–2026) for the date-ordered institution/people/evidence sequence. The reported 1988 Cadw-to-Minister spot-listing letter has its own catalogue placeholder at GHF-E152; the original has not been attached to that page as at 10-10-2026. A placeholder records an evidence gap; it does not establish the letter’s contents or misconduct.

Forensic Assessment — The National Archives

Scope: TNA as archival discovery/custody authority for transferred government and corporate records.

Role

TNA is relevant where government or historical corporate records may have been transferred from departments or deposited collections. It is not a title adjudicator.

Forensic control test

Identify the exact collection/classmark, transfer status, closure/restriction and catalogue provenance. Where a public-record route is exhausted, ask whether an earlier transfer or departmental retention record exists rather than treating catalogue absence as destruction.

Current finding

As at 10-10-2026, the material reviewed does not establish wrongdoing by The National Archives. This is not a finding that the archive had no involvement; its particular custody and search functions are addressed here.

Human action

Run targeted searches for Wales Office/Welsh Office, land-registry/leasehold and relevant corporate records, recording classmarks and transfer/disposal information. Where an expected record remains with a department, identify the department and preservation route.

Acceptance: each TNA search produces classmarks/copies or a documented negative-search outcome with custody explanation.

Institutional appearance timeline — linked source index

Coverage rule: this is a chronological navigation map of published Wiki source pages found by searching the current site index for “The National Archives”. Every event label links directly to the page containing the source. It avoids duplicating source narratives. It records mention/appearance, not culpability. Dates are transcribed from page titles where available; “Date not explicit in title” means the linked source must be consulted. Search indexing is a discovery aid, not proof of exhaustive external coverage. 🕒10-10-2026

Date shown by source title Event / source — open evidence Record class
1877 GHF-E115 — 1877 Bute–Thomas agreement (sale or quarry lease of the house parcel) Published Wiki evidence page
1877 GHF-E117 — Bute X.6(12): 1877 trustees’ abstract of receipts and payments Published Wiki evidence page
1955 GHF-E125 — 1955 High Court Order 14 possession order against Frederick Buckler, with assertion, affidavits and any plan Published Wiki evidence page
10 July 1986 GHF-E140 — High Court trial of 10 July 1986: pleadings, evidence and judgment Published Wiki evidence page
1987 GHF-E142 — 1987 House of Lords petition for leave to appeal: papers Published Wiki evidence page
12 May 1988 GHF-E090-N15-03 — Thursday 12 May 1988: South Wales Echo (British Newspaper Archive extract) Published Wiki evidence page
29 September 2026 GHF-E106-R01 — Royal Commission (RCAHMW) reply RC26-0375, 29 September 2026 Records-access response
9 October 2026 GHF-E106-R51 — NPCC FOI 3065/2026 search-disclosure response (9 October 2026) Published Wiki evidence page
Date not explicit in title Evidence Library Published Wiki evidence page
Date not explicit in title Press Archive — Newspaper Transcripts Published Wiki evidence page

Records-access register appearances — direct row links

Rows below match the institution’s name or an alias in the reply register. A match establishes an appearance in the records trail, not necessarily a substantive act by the institution.

Date Correspondence / register item (click to open) Reading rule
26 Feb 2026 R34 — The National Archives (Manorial Documents Register). “Manor of Llandough – MDR entries”. Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference.
23 Sep 2026 R15 — The National Archives FOI Centre. CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 / CRM:007302479. Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference.
1 Oct 2026 R05 — The National Archives FOI Centre. CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 . Also a WhatDoTheyKnow notice of 1 October that the response was late. Name/alias match in the reply register; open the row to distinguish sender, recipient and incidental reference.

Related navigation: FOI & Public-Authority Reply Register · Records Access Chronology · Evidence Library

Page version & change log

Current version: 1.0.0

VersionDate (UTC)Editor (human or agent name)ChangeSource / evidence
1.0.02026-10-18T15:28Zthe editorsFooter standardised; no content changeEditing Protocol, 18 Oct 2026

Agents and editors: follow the Editing Protocol.

Case file

This file is built for a future reparations claim. Facts are as the records show them; interpretation is labelled “our reading”. Items marked “not checked” have not been compared with the original record.

(a) Conduct timeline

45 dated interactions, oldest first; 5 automatic acknowledgements are left out. Quotations are verbatim from the institution’s email; where the reply’s substance was an attachment, the email subject is quoted instead.

Show the timeline
DateDirectionReferenceTypeVerbatim
31 January 2026sent—requestSubject: Concern regarding historical record following disputed land dispossession
6 February 2026receivedCAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508redirected elsewhereWhen you search our catalogue using keywords you are searching across these titles and descriptions, rather than the contents of the records themselves.
6 February 2026sentCAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508clarification givenSubject: Re: Response to enquiry at The National Archives. Case number: CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:052900508
6 February 2026receivedCAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601115not heldIn answer to your main enquiry, in general we would not add notes to, or review, records in light of unresolved disputes or other matters.
6 February 2026sentCRM:022601115clarification givenSubject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601115
8 February 2026sentCRM:022601127complaintSubject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601127
8 February 2026sentCRM:022601127clarification givenSubject: Re: Response to National Archives case number CAS-313954-Y6C0H3 CRM:022601127 | Correction | Forensic Evaluation and Assessment of Restitutionary asserts
10 February 2026sent—preservation noticeSubject: Formal Notice for Record: Church View Close, Llandough / BP vs Buckler 1987
18 February 2026received—not heldThe Manorial Documents Register which this department administers is a register for the location of manorial documents and not of the ownership and descent of manorial titles:
18 February 2026sent—clarification givenSubject: Re: Formal Notice for Record: Church View Close, Llandough / BP vs Buckler 1987
24 February 2026received—substantive disclosureAs you know the Manorial Documents Register (MDR) only gives general descriptions of the content, extent and location of the manorial records recorded in the register: LLANDOUGH MANOR | The National Archives The manorial records for the Manor of Llandough are held at the National Library of…
24 February 2026sent—otherSubject: Re: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries
26 February 2026receivedHMC 9/311partialThere is useful guidance on the different types of title deeds published by the University of Nottingham which might be helpful when searching catalogues and consulting original property records:
26 February 2026sent—clarification givenSubject: Re: FW: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries
3 March 2026received—substantive disclosureA possibility worth bearing in mind is that the property, Great House Farm / Ty Mawr / Cedfin may ceased to have been held by copyhold tenure by 1900 and instead may have been held instead by a leasehold tenancy which if this was the case the manorial records will not be relevant to your research.
6 March 2026sent—otherSubject: Re: FW: Manor of Llandough - MDR Entries
27 July 2026sent—requestSubject: Great House Farm, Llandough, Cardiff
30 July 2026receivedCAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464redirected elsewherePlease confirm whether such material is held and, if so, provide the relevant catalogue references and any available descriptions or copies (or advise on access arrangements).
30 July 2026sentCAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464requestSubject: Re: Response to enquiry at The National Archives. Case number CAS-343481-X5H3M6 CRM:016207464
12 August 2026receivedCAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306not heldIf no such records are held, please confirm whether any disposal or transfer records indicate that relevant material was never deposited or was destroyed elsewhere.
12 August 2026sentCAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306complaintSubject: Re: Response to National Archives enquiry. Case number CAS-344046-K1S1R2 CRM:021100306
20 August 2026sentCAS-344046-K1S1R2chaseSubject: Case reference: CAS-344046-K1S1R2
20 August 2026receivedCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302424fee or clarification demandIf such information is not held, whether this is because no such records are held, because no relevant records were ever transferred to TNA, or because TNA's catalogue/search systems contain no discoverable description of them.
2 September 2026received—correspondence (no disclosure)When you get there, please update the status to say if the response contains any useful information.
6 September 2026received—correspondence (no disclosure)Subject: Please update the status of your request - Great House Farm, Llandough, Cardiff (BP vs Buckler 1987)
23 September 2026receivedCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479partialIf such information is not held, whether this is because no such records are held, because no relevant records were ever transferred to TNA, or because TNA's catalogue/search systems contain no discoverable description of them.
25 September 2026sentCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479internal review requestSubject: Re: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479
1 October 2026received—correspondence (no disclosure)You can also refer your request to the Information Commissioner once the statutory deadline has passed.
7 October 2026sentCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479internal review requestSubject: Internal review — CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 / CRM:007302479 — Great House Farm / Tÿ Mawr, Llandough
10 October 2026sent—requestSubject: FOI — location only — Valuation Office Survey 1910, OS Glamorgan XLVII.6, Llandough / Great House Farm
12 October 2026received—fee or clarification demandIf you are able to identify the relevant records from our catalogue to which your enquiry below relates, you are welcome to request information regarding their production history or any other recorded metadata held in relation to them.
14 October 2026receivedCAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 CRM:022001165redirected elsewhereWhen you search our catalogue using keywords you are searching across these titles and descriptions, rather than the contents of the records themselves.
15 October 2026sentCAS-359317-Q8Q4R9; CAS-347296-M0V4Y1preservation noticeSubject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 and CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — preservation flag: Valuation Office field books and National Farm Survey / CWAEC records for Great House Farm, Lla
15 October 2026sentCAS-359317-Q8Q4R9complaintSubject: Re: Response to National Archives enquiry. Case number CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 - incomplete location response under FOIA
15 October 2026sent—requestSubject: FOI — location and content only — Glamorgan hearth tax rolls E 179/221/297 and E 179/221/294 — Llandough-juxta-Penarth
19 October 2026sentCAS-359317-Q8Q4R9requestSubject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 – Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough: item locations, retrieval and a copy quotation for BT 31/87651 (several items)
21 October 2026sentCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479clarification givenSubject: RE: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — clarification
22 October 2026receivedCAS-361652-D3X8X9acknowledgementWe will respond to you by 13/11/2026 18:00 in accordance with the 20 working-day time period laid down by section 10 of the Act.
22 October 2026sent—requestSubject: FOI request — location of closed or Discovery records relating to Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough (Valuation Office / IR58 / County Series)
23 October 2026receivedCAS-356384-B2F5L9extensionWe wrote to you informing you that we would review and respond in writing to your request for an internal review by 23rd October 2026.
29 October 2026received—otherClick on the link below to send a message to National Archives asking them to confirm that they have received your request and tell you when they are going to respond.
29 October 2026sentCAS-347296-M0V4Y1 CRM:007302479clarification givenSubject: RE: Freedom of Information Request: Reference CAS-347296-M0V4Y1 — clarification
29 October 2026sentCAS-359317-Q8Q4R9follow-upSubject: Re: CAS-359317-Q8Q4R9 – Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough: item locations, retrieval and a copy quotation for BT 31/87651 (several items)
31 October 2026sent—requestSubject: New records enquiry (separate from CAS-356384): Mountjoy Limited, Western Ground Rents Ltd (00342092), LT 13/3048, BP Properties v Buckler bundles
31 October 2026sentCAS-356384-B2F5L9chaseSubject: Re: Internal Review Request: Reference CAS-356384-B2F5L9 CRM:013201602

(b) Inconsistencies and gaps

“Not held” answers set against the duty below

Contradictions between replies, or between institutions

(c) Quarantined-name links

Records on the quarantine register (Kissed Frogs) that sit in, or came from, this institution’s holdings. None is treated as settled.

(d) Duty and liability — our reading

Liability indicators (our reading): strong

Duty
Custody and cataloguing of deposited records (Public Records Act 1958 for public records and places of deposit; the deposit terms for private collections); FOIA 2000 / EIR 2004 for information about holdings; an accurate catalogue is the finding aid the public relies on.
Indicators the duty was not met
redirections that end in “not held”; replies that do not agree; “not held” answers.
Evidence still needed to confirm
the institution’s retention schedule and disposal record for the series in question; the catalogue or file list it searched; the original items on the quarantine register; any internal review or complaint outcome.
Likely extent of exposure if confirmed
Limited to the custodial record unless a mis-catalogued or withheld item is shown to have kept evidence from a decision-maker; then it may extend to the cost of putting the record right.

(e) Evidence still needed

Versions

1.1.02026-11-01Moved to the Forensic Assessments webapp; dated “Since last assessment” section added; response status re-read.
1.0.02026-10-18As published on the Legal Wiki.

Small print: dotted links explain a word (see the glossary); amber-shaded links list every name the records use for the same thing.